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james
IP: 172.168.18.15 Sep 6, 07 - 9:04 PM |
The Doctors and Terri Schiavo
At time of Terri's death, the Schindlers had nearly 50 doctors on the record who stated that Terri wasn't PVS or new testing was needed to confirm her diagnosis. Many of these doctors relied soley on the video tape clips and their own personal experiences and expertise in brain injury and PVS. However, several doctors did manage to examine Terri or at least observe her and many did see her medical records (at least some of them). Take Dr. Sara Mele for instance who was able see Terri medical records from Medaplex. Michael and his confederates undercut the Schindler's 50 docs by stating that many of them never examined Terri and only relied on the video tape clips. However, Michael neglects one critical fact that was never pointed out; Michael would not let any doctors to examine Terri (Schinder docs). In fact, Michael got a court order which prevented any Schindler doc from examining Terri or conducting any tests on her. This was part of Michael and Felos's plan to prevent the Schindlers from upsetting the PVS diagnosis (which was critical in insuring Terri's death) and getting her treatment. Michael could always use the defense and he did, that they didn't examine Terri when in fact Michael prevented them from examining Terri. Dr. Hammersfar and several docs wanted to examine Terri in 2001, but Michael prevented it and Dr. Hammersfar was only able to examine her when the Appeals Court ordered it (during that time Michael petitioned nearly 6 times to have Terri killed). But when we examine the examination factor, we see that it is quite weak. Observe: Dr. Barnhill - Examined Terri for 10 minutes one time and I believe for 1 hour another time. Dr. Karp - Examined Terri for 1 hour. Dr. Cranford - Examined Terri for 45 minutes. Dr. Greer - Examined Terri for 30 minutes Dr. Bambakidis - Examined Terri for 30 minutes Dr. Gambone - Examined her for 1 hour once and 10 minutes every 4 mouths after that. Total Time of examinations over 4 or 5 year period - A little more than 5 hours. The earlier docs did examine her (Dr. Barras, Dr. De Sousa) much more extensively in the early years, but back then the MCS wasn't widely known and was never revisited by those docs. I will agree the early docs probably had great deal insight into Terri's condition. After Dr. Barnhill, examinations of Terri were quite weak and the MCS diagnosis became much more well known. However, Terri was never given to most advanced tests to confirm this diagnosis and the autopsy (Dr. Nelson reported it) did say that Terri could have been MCS. Several Doctors did observe her and deemed her not PVS or questionalable PVS: Dr. Cheshire - Obeserved Terri for 90 minutes. Saw her medical records Dr. Avery - Obeserved Terri for 30 minutes. Dr. Carpenter - Observed Terri for 30 minutes Dr. Young - Observed Terri for 30 minutes. 2 Doctors did run examinations on her: Dr. Hammersfahr - Examined Terri for over 3 hours. Dr. Maxfield - Examined Terri for nearly 3 hours. Some argue the Dr. Maxfield was a radiologist conducting a neurological examination. However, Dr. Gambone wasn't a neurologist either and conducted a neurological examination in much less time. Both had full disclosure to Terri's medical history. Between Hammersfahr and Maxfield Terri was examined longer than all of Michael's other doctors combined. Also the following caregivers were able to make observations too: Carla Iyer Heidi Law Carolyn Johnson Trudy Capone You also have the following people who questioned PVS: Fr. Molnowski Bob Schindler, Mary Schindler, Suzanne Schindler, and Bobby Schindler Pat Anderson, Tom Boderson (speech therapist) and David Gibbs Michael resisted any testing needed to further confirm her diagnosis even though the Schindlers pleaded adamantly that Terri needed further testing based on dozens of affidavits from doctors accross the country. Later, Michael claimed he wanted an autopsy to prove to the world the extent of Terri's brain damage. Michael resisted any and all efforts to have Terri further diagnosised but after she was dead had no problem have different tests performed on her to prove her diagnosis. In a final note, Terri was never examined again after the 2002 trial even though radical new testing had become available that could have answered many troubling questions experts voiced about her condition. |
Dee
IP: 64.12.116.8 Sep 9th, 2007 - 12:41 PM |
Re: The Doctors and Terri Schiavo
Dr Gambone did state she reacted differently to her mother, which would in the opinion of most show that she did have awareness. Judge Greer went on to say his testimony was not relevant. This doctor saw her over a long period of time and it's questionable why his opinion or any statement he would make would be dismissed. |
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james
IP: 172.133.71.20 Sep 9th, 2007 - 3:59 PM |
Re: Re: The Doctors and Terri Schiavo
Yes, I would agree. It is most likely Terri was MCS rather than PVS. PVS is absence of awareness none of time. However, there are different levels of MCS. I will submit that Terri probably had altered state of consciousness rather than no consciousness at all. However, I will concede that Terri probably didn't have the consciousness to ask for something or to respond in an intelligent way. However, Terri probably had the consciousness to recongnize different people who were in the room. Numerous witness account bear this fact out. While the EEGs were claimed to flat, this was not entirely true. Terri's EEGs were different from what is proceived from normally conscious person. EEGs are not diagnostic for the PVS state. One can't look at a EEG and say that the person is PVS. PVS is determined after rigourous and prolonged clinical bedside testing and examination. The fact that these patients are sometimes blind makes if more difficult to make there consciousness known. There is no technology as of yet to measure the consciousness in a person. However, new technology had come forth to make possible to get a more accurate measure of consciouness. Nonetheless, the misdiagnosis of PVS still remains high. |
Walter In FL
 IP: 70.127.118.160 Sep 9th, 2007 - 4:12 PM |
Re: Re: The Doctors and Terri Schiavo
Be cause that is the way you look at things if the court make a ruling that does favor your wishes there something wrong the court or judge. |
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Janice Sanford
IP: 172.136.135.148 Feb 3rd, 2008 - 10:06 AM |
Re: The Doctors and Terri Schiavo
There was alot wrong with how the Terri Schiavo case was handled in Pinellas County, Florida. |
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