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Walter In FL
 IP: 70.127.118.160 Sep 8, 07 - 9:50 AM |
Considering the Case of Terri Schiavo
Considering the Case of Terri Schiavo March 31, 2005 "Usually," he says, "courts become involved when the family of an incompetent person cannot achieve consensus on an appropriate course of action. Courts principally decide who should decide, not what the decision should be. Until now, medical ethical decisions regarding incompetent patients have been resolved in the courts, not the Executive and Legislative branches of government." Bouma notes that an ABC News poll issued March 21 showed that 70 percent of Americans felt it was inappropriate for Congress to get involved in the case, and 67 percent said political leaders were trying to keep the brain-damaged woman alive in order to gain political advantage. Nearly eight in 10 Americans (78 percent) said they would not want to be kept alive if they were in Schiavo's condition. In addition the public supported the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube by 63 percent to 28 percent. Article’s URL: http://www.calvin.edu/news/releases/2004_05/schiavo.htm |
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james
IP: 172.135.32.130 Sep 8th, 2007 - 11:10 AM |
Re: Considering the Case of Terri Schiavo
Reasons why Congress intervened While I won't deny that some involved themselves purely for political purposes, below are some of the reason why Congress felt that they should have involved themselves in the Schiavo case. When it was discovered that an innocent, disabled young woman was going to be starved and dehydrated to death by the order of a court, Congress decided to step in. Upon entering the arena many discovered some disturbing facts that prompted Congress to create federal involvement from the court level. These reasons were discovered by reviewing the court records, talking with Bobby Schindler, and communicating with some of the Schindlers doctors. 1. Some realized that Terri wasn't dying. She wasn't being kept alive artificially. She was receiving the provision of food and water because she had trouble swallowing (remember she could swallow but docs feared aspiration so no attempts were made). This wasn't a right to die case. Terri was disabled. Many looked at this from a disability POV. 2. Some looked at the video tapes claiming she was PVS, Comatosed, or brain dead. After seeing evidence of an aware person and consulting neurologists who examined her and consulting the Schindlers and dozens of doctor affidavits, Congress clearly become concerned. There was more the shadow of doubt to doubt Terri's PVS diagnosis. This was also in face of fact that Terri hadn't been examined for years by neurologist or had the most up to date tests such as a fMRI or a PET scan. Bill Frist didn't make his speech lightly. He made not only on video clips, but by talking with Bobby Schindler, their doctors, and looking at the court records. 3. When Congress saw that a human was going to be starved and dehydrated to death and realized that death row inmates were protected from this by the 8th amendment, Congress really became concerned. They further became concerned when they realized that this act couldn't be done to an animal without persecution (That is the act of starvation and dehydration irregardless of whether a feeding tube is invovled or not.). 5. Many became concerned based on Terri's wishes on the fact that there was nothing in writing. They became concerned when a adultorous husband was making the decision (the court based its decision on Michael Schiavo and his siblings claims alone.) and the parents only wanted to care for her. Further troubling were caregivers affidavits claiming that Michael was not as sincere as we were lead to believe. Further troubling was fact that when Michael had submitted his 1998 petition to remove Terri's feeding tube, he poised to inherit $750,000 and was poised to marry his financee Jodi (AT THE TIME THE DECISION WAS MADE; the 2000 court order.). It was also troubling because the only evidence that Terri wanted to die came from Michael and his siblings. None of Terri's family members, friends or neighbors ever heard Terri make any comments that wanted to die should she become disabled. This also flew in face of Michael's sworn testimony in the Malpractice trial in which he promised to take of care for the rest of HIS life. 6. Many became concerned when they discovered that Terri had no lawyer and that Judge Greer acted as the Judge, Jury, and Executionor in the case. They realized that even death row inmates were entitled to legal representation. Terri never had any legal representation. The Schindlers were represented, Michael was represented but Terri was never represented. Where was the due process? 7. Congress became concerned that Terri was being sentenced to death when a great deal of doubt was there concerning her condition. Some were disturbed by the cursory examintions by docs claiming she was PVS (1 hour or less). Others realized that Terri wasn't recieving the best medical tests available (no fMRI or PET scans). Further they saw that Terri hadn't been examined in 3 years. They also took note that Terri never had a swallowing test in over 10 years even though GAL Pearse and many others strongly urged Terri to undergo swallowing tests. 8. Some realized the care of Terri was a horrible liking being lock up in a hospice room for 3 years. This got Tom Delay's attention. 9. Congress also realized that Terri never received a federal review or a trial by jury, 2 things entitled to all citizens under the law when judgement is made to end their life. Just some reasons why Congress probably got involved. |
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Walter In FL
IP: 70.127.118.160 Sep 8th, 2007 - 11:25 AM |
Re: Re: Considering the Case of Terri Schiavo
One point you and other avoid is did Terri Schiavo have any rights of self-determination? That point or question is what you and other seem to avoid answering. Do you believe each of us has the right of self-determination to elect TO or NOT TO have medical treatments? Until you and others answer that question your statemnets refect that you would deny us all that right. Or you would only deny Terri Schiavo of that right. |
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Walter In FL
IP: 70.127.118.160 Sep 8th, 2007 - 11:50 AM |
Re: Re: Considering the Case of Terri Schiavo
James Did Bobby Schindler Sr pull the resperator from his mother? That in your terms means Bobby Schindler Sr is a murder. Did Mary Schindler pull the resperator from her mother? That in your terms means Mary Schindler is a murder. |
Janice Sanford
IP: 64.12.116.8 Sep 15th, 2007 - 1:49 PM |
Re: Considering the Case of Terri Schiavo
An ABC poll released this morning shows 60 percent of the nation against federal intervention. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=599622&page=2 A lot of news sources have quoted the info contained in the ABC poll to demean the US Congress, President GW Bush, and Governor Jeb Bush for their efforts to make sure that Terri Schiavo has her day in court. What those using the poll don't say is that the ABC poll involved only 501 people. http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/978a1Schiavo.pdf What the ABC poll does is tell you what 501 people think about the Governments involvement in the Terri Schiavo Case..... According to the population clock http://www.census.gov/population/www/index.html As of right now,March 22, 2005, the United States has an estimated population of 295,710,984. My own petition 3887 shows that 8 times 501 people are in support of the actions of President Bush, and the federal government's involvement in the Terri Schiavo Case. Maybe, CNN and other news sources don't realize how dumb they look parrotting the ABC poll. I would hate to think they would knowingly try to mislead the public here in the states, and in other countries. Source: http://journals.aol.com/justice1949/JUSTICEFORTERRISCHIAVO/entries/2005/03/21/abc-poll-is-a-joke/756 |
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Walter in FL
IP: 70.127.118.160 Sep 16th, 2007 - 10:39 AM |
Re: Re: Considering the Case of Terri Schiavo
Janice What can I say about polls? You and I know anyone can find a polls that favors their side. As for the actions of the Bushs and the legislatures, They were panding votes. They did not care about Terri or anyone else. Thousands of patients across this nation are let go by the removal of the PEG each year. Why was Terri the only one they so called cared for? There were many violations to the Constitutions made in these actions. Bushs could have gotten involved earlier in the case but they didn't until they saw the opportunity for votes from the RTL, RR, CR, etc. This was government at its worst.... In my opinion, the Bushs knew that they were in violation, and pulled back at the last moment and stated "I tried!!!." They displayed the illusion of really caring. The GOP and RTL and RR were using each other for their agendas. |
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Janice Sanford
IP: 64.12.116.8 Sep 27th, 2007 - 3:43 AM |
Re: Re: Re: Considering the Case of Terri Schiavo
I'm a Bush supporter. And in my opinion, the pro-deathers were using Terri's case to push there pro-death agenda. It's wasn't Governor Bush who lifted Terri's stay of execution- it was the pro-death judges who were involved in Terri's case from the beginning [Baird ,Greer, etc.] who 'lifted' it. You people, those who think they can destroy America from within, all I can tell you is that it's going to be harder for you to push through another public execution. Because regardless of how hard you work through the system to destroy laws that were put inplace to protect helpless human beings, people like me will be working over time to see that the United States of America never becomes another Hitler-killing field. |
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