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Janice Sanford
IP: 64.12.116.8 Sep 24, 07 - 2:55 AM |
McGregor Place
Attorney Pam Campbell questioning Michael Schiavo: 2 Q And you lived in the Schindlers' condo? 3 A Yes. We did. 4 Q How much rent were you paying at the 5 time? 6 A I don't recall. 7 Q About $400 a month? 8 A Sounds correct. Yeah. 9 Q Now you testified previously that 10 afterwards you moved to Thunder Bay. Isn't it 11 true that you moved to McGregor Place? 12 A Yes. Yes. I'm sorry. I forgot about 13 that one. 14 Q You moved to McGregor Place in September 15 1989; is that correct? 16 A I don't remember the date. 17 Q If you could bear with me and listen to 18 the time frame. I believe you testified that you 19 moved into the Schindlers' condo in April of '86 20 and then moved to McGregor Place, I'm asking you, 21 in 1989? Was it previously to -- 22 A I don't recall the dates, ma'am. 23 Q Was it right prior to Terri's accident, 24 which would have been in February 1990? 25 A I don't recall the dates that we moved 80 1 in there and moved around. The accident happened 2 at Thunder Bay. 3 Q How long did you live in McGregor Place? 4 A I just remembered it. I don't 5 remember. 6 Q Months? 7 A It was a few months. Yeah. 8 Q How long did you live in Thunder Bay 9 prior to Terri's accident? 10 A Eight months, I believe. I'm not sure. 11 Q During that entire time that you were 12 living in the Schindlers' condo, from '86 until 13 sometime in '89, were you paying rent consistently 14 during that time? 15 A No. We were not. http://www.geocities.com/purple_kangaroo_angela/1990-1991/Michael24jan2000guardianship-p1-89.txt McGregor Place sold for $20,490,000 in October 2001. 18/30/17/56445/001/0010 18/30/17/56445/001/0010 If Michael Schiavo and Terri lived in the Schindlers' condo from 1986 until sometime in 1989 free, then moved to McGregor Place for a few months,before moving to Thunder Bay Apartments[both very expensive places], why couldn't Michael afford to pay the Schindlers rent? Schiavo had it make.He lived high on the hog for about 4 yrs, and only had to pay rent for a few months. [And more than likely Terri was footing the bill for the apartment at Thunder Bay.] |
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James
IP: 167.75.254.253 Sep 24th, 2007 - 9:59 AM |
This is about the only place in Michael's testimony where Campbell pursued Michael and Michael got a little annoyed. Campbell's cross examination of Michael Schiavo was ineffectual (meaning useless and really did not accomplish anything). Michael Schiavo likened Campbell to that of ***** cat when she was cross-examining him. It remains to be seen why Campbell even brought up this information or questioned Michael Schiavo on it when really had nothing to do with Terri's diagnosis or the veracity of her wishes. |
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James
IP: 167.75.254.253 Sep 24th, 2007 - 12:04 PM |
I believe Pamela Campbell was one the primary reasons Terri lost her life. She failed to effectively advocate and protect Terri Schiavo from the actions of Michael Schiavo who had numerous numerous conflicts of interest. Any one looking at the 2000 trial can see that Terri didn't get a fair trial. Terri and Schindlers were railroaded from day 1 and Felos and Greer orchestrated the whole thing. |
Janice Sanford
IP: 64.12.116.8 Sep 24th, 2007 - 3:46 PM |
You will hear a lot of medical testimony concerning the persistent vegetative state that Theresa Schiavo currently exists in. We do not doubt she's in a permanent vegetative state...Pamela Campbell [The attorney who volunteered her services to the Schindlers, after Michael Schiavo's attorney Glenn Woodworth asked her to.] You know, James,the Schindlers were in court that day,too. The question now is when Pam Campbell offered to be their attorney were the Schinders aware of her connection to Glenn Woodworth? Terri didn't get a fair trial because the laws that governed her case were the sister- laws of the Florida law that striped Terri of her personhood in 1990.We must fight to have laws passed that will prevent there from ever being another public execution of an innocent-disabled human being. I have no doubt that ALL the facts in the Terri Schiavo case will come out. The only person who was "railroaded from day 1" was Terri. |
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James
IP: 167.75.254.253 Sep 24th, 2007 - 5:28 PM |
The Schindlers might have known about Glenn Woodworth however, the Schindlers had no money and had no choice but to take Campbell who was willing to work for nothing. The Schindlers were also very niave and had no idea who Felos was and what they were up against. Campbell just plain sucked and was one the primary reasons Terri lost her life. |
Janice Sanford
IP: 64.12.116.8 Sep 24th, 2007 - 8:13 PM |
There's an old saying that goes "you get what you pay for" The thing is. If the Schindlers were told by someone in the medical field that Terri was PVS BEFORE Campbell entered the picture, and they had not verbally or by their actions disputed the PVS diagnosis, then Pam Campbell did not error. What happened to Terri was wrong. But, I won't blame Terri's execution on Campbell's ability as a lawyer. She might end up being connected to the pro-death movement. Only time will tell. The best thing to do is at least accept that Pam Campbell might have unintentionally hurt Terri's case. Having a daughter who is an attorney, I know that there are good attoneys who are worthy of respect. Besides her statement about Terri being PVS, where else did she fail? I have the documents. If you have page and sentence numbers. |
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James
IP: 172.162.180.214 Sep 24th, 2007 - 8:46 PM |
I believe Pamela Campbell, the lawyer for the Schindlers during the 2000 trial was one of the primary reasons Terri lost her life. Campbell's performance in the 2000 trial was horrible and I think a first year law student could done better. The Schindlers got railroaded and Felos essentially steamrolled over Campbell. Anyone looking at the 2000 trial can easily see that Terri did not get a fair trial of her life. The Schindler's hired an attorney who was unexperienced and ill-financed to effectively advocate for Terri's life. It seem as though, the Schindler were set up by hiring Pam Campbell for the purpose to say Terri got her due process. But Pam Campbell sucked in almost every way and was conflicted on several points for even representing the Schindlers. Lets look at the some of the facts: Pam Campbell was reccomended by a Schiavo attorney (Woodworth)- of course the Schindlers had no money, so I guess they had no option to accept her appointment. Pam Campbell also had ties to Mark Shames, the judge who authorized Michael to hire George Felos as his lawyer. Terri had no GAL - The GAL was discharged when it was discovered Michael had several conflicts of interest by the request of Felos. No GAL was appointed. Terri had no legal counsel. The 2000 Trial also presented a profound fianancial inequity on the part of the Schindlers. While Michael was authorized to use Terri's money to hire Right to Die lawyers, doctors and specialists, The Schindlers were not affored the same right to effectvely advocate for Terri's life. Campbell just plain sucked. Her incompotence and confusion is evident through out the trial transcripts. Lets look: As far I know Campbell only deposed one witness; Michael Schiavo. Campbell didn't even depose Scott or joan Schiavo. For some reason this oversight escaped Judge Greer. Failing to depose Scott and Joan Schiavo was critical mistake to compromised the "Level Playing Field" of the trial: From Wikipedia: The chief value of a deposition, as with any discovery proceeding, is to give all litigant parties in a contested case a fair preview of the evidence so that a "level playing field" is achieved and surprise (traditionally regarded as an unfair tactic) is avoided at time of trial. Another benefit of deposition is to preserve a witness's recollection while it is still fresh, though the trial may still be some time later. In the event a witness is unavailable for trial, his deposition testimony may be read before the jury and made part of the record in the case, with the same legal force as live testimony. In some states, depositions can be offered into evidence even if the witness is available. In any case, one party can use a deposition to impeach (or contradict) the witness's testimony in open court. |
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James
IP: 172.162.180.214 Sep 24th, 2007 - 8:47 PM |
Campbell's opening Statement: We do not 13 doubt she's in a permanent vegetative state. 14 However, a lot goes to the cognitive activity and 15 brain activity of Theresa Schiavo. In reading 16 through some of the medical records, you will hear 17 testimony about her no recognition. However, you 18 will hear testimony from our side there is 19 recognition. She does recognize her mother. Campbell here is obviously confused. First she stipulates that Terri is PVS. Then she says Terri has Cognition. If Terri was truly PVS, then there can be no cognition by definition. Campbell seemed confused on what Terri's diagnosis was. We do not believe, as the guardian ad 18 litem also found, that the evidence you will hear 19 is credible. Interestly enough, Campbell never tries the taint the credibility of Michael, Scott or Joan. Her efforts suck. Michael's Testimony: 20 Q Good morning, Mr. Schiavo. As you 21 recall, I am Pam Campbell. I represent Mr. and 22 Mrs. Schindler. It's unclear why Campbell wasted time with this statement. Michael obvisously knew who Pam Campbell was. 3 Q Could you describe that relationship for 4 me? 5 A We are boyfriend/girlfriend. We live 6 together. 7 Q Would you consider her your fiancee? 8 A I would consider her -- yes. Yes. 9 Q Has she ever been so noticed as anything 10 in writing in the newspaper as your fiancee? 11 A Yes. 12 Q You and she own a house together; is 13 that correct? 14 A Yes. After this testimony is revealed, Campbell seems to shrug her shoulders and moves on to a different subject. 7 A Terri and I had a very loving marriage. 8 We had our problems, just like every other 9 marriage does. Terri never ever mentioned to me 10 about divorce. Campbell doesn't pry and moves on. Go figure. Campbell with also ineffectual in cross examining many of the Schiavo witnesses. Campbell brought only few witness if her own. She failed to bring in a priest to refute Fr. Murphy. She failed to bring an expert witness to refute Beverly Tyler. She failed to bring in an expert witness to refute Dr. Gambone and Dr. Barnhill. Campbell also failed to do proper pretrial investigation and allowed many the Schindler witnesses to get caught up in Felos's cross examination. This evident from Jackie Rhodes testimony. She also did not try to rehabilitate Bob and Mary Schindler from the vigorous cross examination from Felos. |
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James
IP: 172.162.180.214 Sep 24th, 2007 - 8:48 PM |
Sometimes I wonder who side Campbell was really on. Given the egrecious nature of Campbell's performance in the 2000 trial, I something think that Campbell was really on the side of Felos. Given some of the conflicts of interest Campbell had of even representing the Schindlers, this could be considered at least a conceivable possibility. If David Gibbs or Ken Connor did the 2000 trial, I have no doubt that Michael Schiavo would have absolutely been destroyed. |
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James
IP: 172.162.180.214 Sep 24th, 2007 - 8:51 PM |
Even Michael Schiavo was suprised by the niceness of Campbell's cross examination. Michael likened Campbell to that of ***** cat. Not suprisely enough, Campbell's cross examination of Michael schiavo is only a few pages. Her effort prove ineffectual and Michael's credibility isn't tainted a littel bit. |
Janice Sanford
IP: 64.12.116.8 Sep 24th, 2007 - 9:57 PM |
James, have you read Pam Campbell's September 27, 1999, 53 page Redirect Examination of Michael Schiavo? If so, what do you think of the way she handled that? If not, I suggest you get a copy and read it. |
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James
IP: 172.162.180.214 Sep 24th, 2007 - 10:33 PM |
You must mean Michael's Depo. It is actually page 52. Campbell questions Michael about Joan Schiavo. Michael makes to important points. He talked to Joan regarding Terri's wishes even though Joan testfied she never told Michael anything. Michael mentions that Joan talked about a cousin that was disconnected from life support. Interestingly enough this was never mentioned in the 2000 trial. |
Janice Sanford
IP: 64.12.116.8 Sep 24th, 2007 - 10:46 PM |
I was going by Pam Campbell part of the depo, when I referred to her Redirect Examination being 53 pages.A lot of stuff was never mentioned in the 2000 trial. Thank you, for your input. |
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James
IP: 172.162.180.214 Sep 24th, 2007 - 11:00 PM |
Yes, I believe Campbell should have focused on the 4 motives I believe drove Michael to want Terri dead: 1. His love for Jodi - Michael wanted to marry Jodi and Terri was in the way. So why not divorce Terri? 2. Michael wanted the money from Terri's trust. 3. Divorcing Terri would have made it difficult to marry Jodi in the Catholic church. 4. Michael hated the Schindlers with a passion. He never forgave them for the first gurdianship suit and wasn't about to turn care over the Schindlers (The wishes thing was I think was a contrived reason. If you read in the 1999 depo, Michael stated the ONLY reason why Michael wouldn't turn over Terri to the Schindlers is because of the hell they put him through. After conferring with Felos, he mentions they won't follow her wishes.) 5. He could have been convering up but this is only speculation. Remember all of these motives existed at the time the decision was made. Michael wrote in his book that he never expected the case to last another 5 years and was even suprised when he learned that the Schindlers could and would appeal. |
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James
IP: 172.162.180.214 Sep 24th, 2007 - 11:03 PM |
According to Gibbs, it was never about Terri Schiavo. Michael wanted Terri dead and fought for years to get it. |
Janice Sanford
IP: 64.12.116.8 Sep 24th, 2007 - 3:28 PM |
It's more interesting how Michael schiavo seemed to stress that Terri collapsed at Thunder Bay and not McGregor Place. Another interesting thing: if you put the address, for Terri that in the police report, into the address box on the Pinellas County Property Appraiser's site: http://www.pcpao.org/?pg=http://www.pcpao.org/general_nadet.php?pn=1730079079000100201 It say that address doesn't exist. In St. Petersburg (formerly 9th St North/South) type: Dr ML King Jr St |