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James

IP: 172.130.23.53

Sep 25, 07 - 8:31 PM

The Video Clips

http://www.sacramentolifechain.org/terri-big_eyes.ram

This is probably one the best video clips that shows that Terri was aware and cognitive and some small level. The video starts with Terri's eyes closed. Dr. Hammesfahr (the voice) asks her to open her eyes. You can see Terri struggle to carry out Dr. Hammesfahr's directive or command for several seconds as she attempts to open her eyes. After several attempts, Terri opens her eyes. As Dr. Hammersfahr praises Terri, you can clearly see she is aware of him and understands what Dr. Hammerfahr has asked her to do. She moves her head or body towards Dr. Hammesfahr. As Dr. Hammesfahr praises her more, Terri is very eager to please and open her eyes really wide and even wrinkles her eyebrows. I find it hard to believe that someone could write that off as reflex action. Terri clearly opened her eyes on command and reciporcated Dr. Hammesfahr's praises by opening them wider and wrinkling her eyebrows. There was clearly some level of awareness or consciousness at work there.

http://www.sacramentolifechain.org/ConversationWithTerri.ram

In the start of the video, Terri is silent but her head is turned and she is staring at Bob Schindler. Bob Schindler begins to talk directly to her. He talks about a funny memory in Terri's childhood about her lazy eye. Terri responds almost right on key to Bob Schindler inquieries. It clearly shows that Terri is aware of Bob Schindler talking to her and is responding in an appropriate manner almost right on key.

James

IP: 172.130.23.53

Sep 25th, 2007 - 9:03 PM

Re: The Video Clips

http://www.sacramentolifechain.org/terri-music.ram

In this video, Terri responds by a short laugh after several seconds of the music playing. Brain injured patients take a long time process information. It is unknown on whether this is reflex response to Mary's inquiry (pro-death doctors say it is.), but it seems that Terri was aware of the music. However, this video does reveal something interesting. If you watch Terri's hands and fingers and see them move ever so slightly. The video is cut off at the fingers to determine if Terri is making some attempt at keeping with tempo with her fingers. However, I did see her fingers and hand move, but it is very very slight.

http://www.sacramentolifechain.org/terrimum.ram

In this video, Terri does give slight smile when her Mary touches her. The interesting point in this video is when Mary tilts Terri's head back. It's difficult to tell if Terri is actually helping her mom in this movement (tilting her head back.)

http://www.sacramentolifechain.org/terri-hows_that_cold.ram

This video is quite interesting and you can see that Terri is clearly aware of her mother's presence. The really interesting part in this video is when Mom first approaches her and says "Hi". You have watch really close, but Terri is aware of Mary Schindler. If watch her eyebrow, you will see Terri raise it when Mary first says "hi" to her. I find this hard to believe the raising eyebrow would be a reflex. As Mary talks to her, Terri give low moan and seems to be responding to Mary's inquires. Mary is not touching Terri.

James

IP: 172.130.23.53

Sep 25th, 2007 - 9:41 PM

Re: Re: The Video Clips

In these videos, you really have to pay close attention to Terri, especially her eyes. These videos demonstrate that Terri was aware of the people were around her.

Please bear in mind the florida statute for PVS:

The definition of PVS in Florida Statute765.101:Persistent vegetative state means a permanentand irreversible condition of unconsciousness inwhich there is:(a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitivebehavior of ANY kind.(b) An inability to communicate or interactpurposefully with the environment.

http://www.raven1.net/terriballoon.rm

In this video Terri is clearly following the baloon (Cranford testfied to it.). Not only are Terri eyes tracking it but it important to watch Terri's eyebrows as she eyes track the balloon. Terri also moves her head from side to side. Terri was apparently aware of the balloon and was trying to follow it.

http://www.blogsforterri.com/video/terri-swab.rmm

In this video Terri looks half a sleep. The swab is applied and Terri clearly does not like it. Not only does Terri respond with a grimace, but she moves her arms and even her whole body to get away from the swab. The video ends, showing a very agitated look on her face.

James

IP: 172.130.23.53

Sep 25th, 2007 - 10:03 PM

Re: Re: Re: The Video Clips

Here is narrative from the 2002 trial which is extended version of the Open Your Eyes. Terri follows more commands:

22 mother. Can you look at your mother now? Say

23 something so she knows where you are."

24 "Terry, it's mommy. Over here, Honey. Mommy.

25 Can you look over here at mommy. I'm over here.

101

1 I'm over here. Can you look over here at mommy.

2 Over here. Now, look at me. Terry, look at me.

3 Good."

4 Now, Terry I'm going to tap you with a sharp

5 piece of wood. This is a hammer with a sharp piece

6 of wood. If you feel it, I want to you look at

7 your mother, not at me. Look at your mother if you

8 feel it. Good. Now, look at me. I'm going to

9 hold your eyes open for a second. Can you look at

10 me? Can you look directly at me?"

11 "Look at me. Now look at your mom. Good.

12 Excellent. Terry, look at me. Right over here.

13 Terry, open your eyes up. Open your eyes. Terry,

14 open your eyes. Very good. Good. Good job. Good

15 job young lady. Good job. Now, what I need you to

16 do is close your eyes. Close your eyes real tight.

17 Close your eyes. Close them closed tight. Keep

18 them closed. Okay. Now keep them real closed.

19 Now I want to you open your eyes real wide. Open

20 them real wide. Good job. Very good. Good job.

21 Very good."

22 "Now I want to you open your eyes real wide,

23 real wide. Open them real wide for me. Real wide.

24 Yeah, I saw that. Good job. Now open your eyes

25 real wide. Give me a real big stare. A real big

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1 stare. Can you open them real wide for me. Terry,

2 open them real wide for me. Real wide keep them

3 moving. Okay. Give me a real wide stare. Can you

4 do that?"

Terri had severe brain damage and could respond to every cammand the Dr. Hammesfahr put to her. I doubt these responses were reflexes.

James

IP: 172.130.23.53

Sep 25th, 2007 - 10:11 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Video Clips

The Missing Schiavo Video

I have always wondered what happen to the 20 minute Terri Schiavo video that was shown at Mal Practice trial in 1992. It is interesting that that video was never mentioned again and was never used in the 2000 or 2002 trial as video evidence. The video is never mentioned again in any future affidavit or motion that I could find.

The video was very important for several reasons. Based on the testimony by Michael Schiavo, it showed that Terri was alert, aware, could feel pain, and could swallow.
In it the video shows Terri swallowing at times. It shows Terri reacting to pain. And it shows Terri has feelings and is alert and aware. This all based on Michael's testimony. Observe:

1992 Testimony

A. Right here, basically, you can see she's dressed,

11 she's already had her shower and everything. We would get

12 her dressed, put her shoes and socks on. I'm trying out her

13 hands there. You have to keep the inside of the hands,

14 since she's contracted, you have to keep them dry because

15 infection can set in, and I usually do a little bit of range

16 of motion with her.

17 Q. And while you're doing that, do you talk to her?

18 A. Yes, I am talking to her right now telling her

19 it's okay.

20 Q. She doesn't like that very much?

21 A. No, she doesn't. She does feel pain.

Q. (BY MR. WOODWORTH:) Does she like that kind of

5 treatment very much?

6 A. No, she does not. Here I'm trying to bend her

7 leg.

Q. I notice, Michael, you're holding her head back.

25 why are you doing that?

___
19

1 A. Because she'll fall forward, and if she falls fast

2 she gets excited. It's -- I was told by a doctor she was

3 getting the feeling she's falling.

Q. You hoping he can get her to the point where she

15 swallows?

16 A. Yes. You see here rubbing the bottom of her

17 throat, that's, I don't know what the word is, gets them to

18 swallow when you rub the bottom of their throat. She just

19 swallowed that time.

Q. Does she express discomfort when some of these

9 things are happening to her?

10 A. Yes. Yes, she does.

11 Q. How does she do that?

12 A. She'll moan and groan.

I like to get her outside for fresh air.

This is a video that was never released but shown at the Mal Trial. It showed 4 things about Terri to seems to refute PVS based on Michael's testimony.

1. It shows Terri reacting to pain.

2. It shows Terri has feelings.

3. It shows Terri alert and aware.

4. It shows Terri can swallow to some degree.

Addition, if Terri condition progressed over the years, one can assume that was because of Michael's neglect to get Terri further therapy and rehabilitation.

Michael sarcasticly writes in his book that Schindlers went looking for doctor after doctor until they could find someone that would give Terri a chance.

Finally, Michael remarks that he would bring Terri outside for fresh air. By the time Terri arrvied at hospice, Terri was pretty much jailed in her room for the last 4 to 5 years of her life.

Michael threatened to arrest anyone who attempted to bring her outside or have her attend any social function.

Of course Michael claims he was protecting Terri's right to privacy but I don't buy it. Michael hired a private security guard to protect Terri. Michael could have taken her anywhere and her body guard could have been there to protect Terri's privacy.

James

IP: 167.75.254.253

Sep 26th, 2007 - 10:17 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Video Clips

Yes, the video definitely show that Terri is cognitive at very small level. You have watch very closely the clips or you will miss her responses. Watching her eyebrows move is one thing that shows she is aware. Her body movement of head, hands, and whole suggest cognitiveness as well.

Dozens of doctors looked at very same clips that I posted and came to one of two conclusions: Terri was MCS rather PVS (The response were inconstitent with PVS) or more clinical testing was needed.

Some of the Doctors were experts in neurology and the MCS state. Some of the doctors included:

http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/alexGimonAffidavit082503.htm

http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/drhopper.PDF

http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/Huntoon.pdf

http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/zabeiga.PDF

http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/Affidavit%20from%20Speech%20Pathologist.doc

http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/Dr%20%20Laurie%20Barclay.pdf

The conclusions by these doctors were reenforced by doctors who actually examined or observed Terri in person:

Dr. Hammesfahr
Dr. Maxfield
Dr. Cheshire
http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/Dr%20%20Jay%20Carpenter.pdf
http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/Avery%20Affidavit%20-%20Swallowing.pdf
http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/young.PDF

You also have the reenforcement of numerous witnesses acocunts from lawyers, Schindlers, caregivers and priests who actually saw Terri.

James

IP: 167.75.254.253

Sep 26th, 2007 - 10:33 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Video Clips

The autopsy did not prove Terri was PVS.

Dr. Nelson, the neuropathologist conceded that Terri could have been MCS but there was no way to be sure since pathological conclusions on the MCS were limited. Dr. Nelson therefore conceded to the known PVS diagnosis indicating that his findings were constistent with PVS pathological readings.

Dr. Nelson, addition to conceding that Terri could been MCS also conceded that it was possible that Terri was aware and could hear and recognize her family members.

However, Dr. Nelson was very quick to defend his PVS POV.

CNN Press Conference Transcript Piece:

The question is first asked:

QUESTION: Dr. Thogmartin, what abilities did Terri have? You said she was blind. In those -- near the end of her life, what would she have been able to do, feel, whatever?

Dr. Nelson is quick to defend his PVS POV.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The -- again, it's important to remember this is -- persistent vegetative state is a clinical diagnosis. It's not a pathologic diagnosis. The findings of Terri Schiavo are very consistent with persistent vegetative state.

Dr. Nelson is pressed:

QUESTION: Doctor, her family had said repeatedly that she believed that -- they believed that she interacted with them. Are you saying that's impossible?

Dr. Nelson concedes but is quick to defend it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're certainly not saying that's impossible. But we're saying based on what we know, and what is in the literature with regard to persistent vegetative state, again, that is a clinical diagnosis. It's not a pathologic diagnosis that has precision associated with it.

In other words, the ME could only say that Terri had severe brain damage.

They couldn't make any conclusions on Terri's abilities from a dead body, but they are conceding that is not impossible for Terri to be cognitive and aware.

James

IP: 167.75.254.253

Sep 26th, 2007 - 11:38 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Video Clips

Judge Greer in his 5 years on the case refused to go and see Terri Schiavo or allow her to come into court.

Judge Greer was asked numerous times and refused everytime. All of the witnesses who testified against Terri were not required to face Terri in the court room.

Judge Greer was also legally blind and it was quesitonable if Judge Greer was even able to catch Terri's subtle responses on the videos.

Judge Greer acted as Terri's GAL and Guardian in court litigation but refused to visit with Terri or have her come to court.

I believe this was a violation of Terri's due process.

Terri was not required to be court in judgements affecting her life.

Judge Greer was able to pass judgement on Terri Schiavo without ever having set eyes on her.

Terri was simply not involved in the process even though it would have been easy for Terri to be brought into court in a wheelchair or for Judge Greer to go and see Terri in her hospital bed and even conduct litigation there.

James

IP: 172.130.13.6

Sep 27th, 2007 - 11:07 PM

Re: The Video Clips

In the "How's Your Cold" video, Terri clearly is aware of her Mary's presense. Mary starts by talking to Dr. Cranford (the other voice). Terri is silent and her eyes are unfocused. Mary moves around to other side of Terri's head. As soon as Mary says "Hi Baby" Terri eyes shift towards her mom. You can also see that Terri twitches her eyebrow very slighly (you have to watch closely or you will miss it) which shows she is aware of her mom. Terri then starts to give low moan vocalization as Mary talks to her. Mary does not touch Terri but does give her kiss on her cheek.

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James IP: 172.130.23.53 Sep 25, 07 - 8:31 PM	The Video Clips http://www.sacramentolifechain.org/terri-big_eyes.ram This is probably one the best video clips that shows that Terri was aware and cognitive and some small level. The video starts with Terri's eyes closed. Dr. Hammesfahr (the voice) asks her to open her eyes. You can see Terri struggle to carry out Dr. Hammesfahr's directive or command for several seconds as she attempts to open her eyes. After several attempts, Terri opens her eyes. As Dr. Hammersfahr praises Terri, you can clearly see she is aware of him and understands what Dr. Hammerfahr has asked her to do. She moves her head or body towards Dr. Hammesfahr. As Dr. Hammesfahr praises her more, Terri is very eager to please and open her eyes really wide and even wrinkles her eyebrows. I find it hard to believe that someone could write that off as reflex action. Terri clearly opened her eyes on command and reciporcated Dr. Hammesfahr's praises by opening them wider and wrinkling her eyebrows. There was clearly some level of awareness or consciousness at work there. http://www.sacramentolifechain.org/ConversationWithTerri.ram In the start of the video, Terri is silent but her head is turned and she is staring at Bob Schindler. Bob Schindler begins to talk directly to her. He talks about a funny memory in Terri's childhood about her lazy eye. Terri responds almost right on key to Bob Schindler inquieries. It clearly shows that Terri is aware of Bob Schindler talking to her and is responding in an appropriate manner almost right on key.
James IP: 172.130.23.53 Sep 25th, 2007 - 9:03 PM	Re: The Video Clips http://www.sacramentolifechain.org/terri-music.ram In this video, Terri responds by a short laugh after several seconds of the music playing. Brain injured patients take a long time process information. It is unknown on whether this is reflex response to Mary's inquiry (pro-death doctors say it is.), but it seems that Terri was aware of the music. However, this video does reveal something interesting. If you watch Terri's hands and fingers and see them move ever so slightly. The video is cut off at the fingers to determine if Terri is making some attempt at keeping with tempo with her fingers. However, I did see her fingers and hand move, but it is very very slight. http://www.sacramentolifechain.org/terrimum.ram In this video, Terri does give slight smile when her Mary touches her. The interesting point in this video is when Mary tilts Terri's head back. It's difficult to tell if Terri is actually helping her mom in this movement (tilting her head back.) http://www.sacramentolifechain.org/terri-hows_that_cold.ram This video is quite interesting and you can see that Terri is clearly aware of her mother's presence. The really interesting part in this video is when Mom first approaches her and says "Hi". You have watch really close, but Terri is aware of Mary Schindler. If watch her eyebrow, you will see Terri raise it when Mary first says "hi" to her. I find this hard to believe the raising eyebrow would be a reflex. As Mary talks to her, Terri give low moan and seems to be responding to Mary's inquires. Mary is not touching Terri.
James IP: 172.130.23.53 Sep 25th, 2007 - 9:41 PM	Re: Re: The Video Clips In these videos, you really have to pay close attention to Terri, especially her eyes. These videos demonstrate that Terri was aware of the people were around her. Please bear in mind the florida statute for PVS: The definition of PVS in Florida Statute765.101:Persistent vegetative state means a permanentand irreversible condition of unconsciousness inwhich there is:(a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitivebehavior of ANY kind.(b) An inability to communicate or interactpurposefully with the environment. http://www.raven1.net/terriballoon.rm In this video Terri is clearly following the baloon (Cranford testfied to it.). Not only are Terri eyes tracking it but it important to watch Terri's eyebrows as she eyes track the balloon. Terri also moves her head from side to side. Terri was apparently aware of the balloon and was trying to follow it. http://www.blogsforterri.com/video/terri-swab.rmm In this video Terri looks half a sleep. The swab is applied and Terri clearly does not like it. Not only does Terri respond with a grimace, but she moves her arms and even her whole body to get away from the swab. The video ends, showing a very agitated look on her face.
James IP: 172.130.23.53 Sep 25th, 2007 - 10:03 PM	Re: Re: Re: The Video Clips Here is narrative from the 2002 trial which is extended version of the Open Your Eyes. Terri follows more commands: 22 mother. Can you look at your mother now? Say 23 something so she knows where you are." 24 "Terry, it's mommy. Over here, Honey. Mommy. 25 Can you look over here at mommy. I'm over here. 101 1 I'm over here. Can you look over here at mommy. 2 Over here. Now, look at me. Terry, look at me. 3 Good." 4 Now, Terry I'm going to tap you with a sharp 5 piece of wood. This is a hammer with a sharp piece 6 of wood. If you feel it, I want to you look at 7 your mother, not at me. Look at your mother if you 8 feel it. Good. Now, look at me. I'm going to 9 hold your eyes open for a second. Can you look at 10 me? Can you look directly at me?" 11 "Look at me. Now look at your mom. Good. 12 Excellent. Terry, look at me. Right over here. 13 Terry, open your eyes up. Open your eyes. Terry, 14 open your eyes. Very good. Good. Good job. Good 15 job young lady. Good job. Now, what I need you to 16 do is close your eyes. Close your eyes real tight. 17 Close your eyes. Close them closed tight. Keep 18 them closed. Okay. Now keep them real closed. 19 Now I want to you open your eyes real wide. Open 20 them real wide. Good job. Very good. Good job. 21 Very good." 22 "Now I want to you open your eyes real wide, 23 real wide. Open them real wide for me. Real wide. 24 Yeah, I saw that. Good job. Now open your eyes 25 real wide. Give me a real big stare. A real big 102 1 stare. Can you open them real wide for me. Terry, 2 open them real wide for me. Real wide keep them 3 moving. Okay. Give me a real wide stare. Can you 4 do that?" Terri had severe brain damage and could respond to every cammand the Dr. Hammesfahr put to her. I doubt these responses were reflexes.
James IP: 172.130.23.53 Sep 25th, 2007 - 10:11 PM	Re: Re: Re: Re: The Video Clips The Missing Schiavo Video I have always wondered what happen to the 20 minute Terri Schiavo video that was shown at Mal Practice trial in 1992. It is interesting that that video was never mentioned again and was never used in the 2000 or 2002 trial as video evidence. The video is never mentioned again in any future affidavit or motion that I could find. The video was very important for several reasons. Based on the testimony by Michael Schiavo, it showed that Terri was alert, aware, could feel pain, and could swallow. In it the video shows Terri swallowing at times. It shows Terri reacting to pain. And it shows Terri has feelings and is alert and aware. This all based on Michael's testimony. Observe: 1992 Testimony A. Right here, basically, you can see she's dressed, 11 she's already had her shower and everything. We would get 12 her dressed, put her shoes and socks on. I'm trying out her 13 hands there. You have to keep the inside of the hands, 14 since she's contracted, you have to keep them dry because 15 infection can set in, and I usually do a little bit of range 16 of motion with her. 17 Q. And while you're doing that, do you talk to her? 18 A. Yes, I am talking to her right now telling her 19 it's okay. 20 Q. She doesn't like that very much? 21 A. No, she doesn't. She does feel pain. Q. (BY MR. WOODWORTH:) Does she like that kind of 5 treatment very much? 6 A. No, she does not. Here I'm trying to bend her 7 leg. Q. I notice, Michael, you're holding her head back. 25 why are you doing that? ___ 19 1 A. Because she'll fall forward, and if she falls fast 2 she gets excited. It's -- I was told by a doctor she was 3 getting the feeling she's falling. Q. You hoping he can get her to the point where she 15 swallows? 16 A. Yes. You see here rubbing the bottom of her 17 throat, that's, I don't know what the word is, gets them to 18 swallow when you rub the bottom of their throat. She just 19 swallowed that time. Q. Does she express discomfort when some of these 9 things are happening to her? 10 A. Yes. Yes, she does. 11 Q. How does she do that? 12 A. She'll moan and groan. I like to get her outside for fresh air. This is a video that was never released but shown at the Mal Trial. It showed 4 things about Terri to seems to refute PVS based on Michael's testimony. 1. It shows Terri reacting to pain. 2. It shows Terri has feelings. 3. It shows Terri alert and aware. 4. It shows Terri can swallow to some degree. Addition, if Terri condition progressed over the years, one can assume that was because of Michael's neglect to get Terri further therapy and rehabilitation. Michael sarcasticly writes in his book that Schindlers went looking for doctor after doctor until they could find someone that would give Terri a chance. Finally, Michael remarks that he would bring Terri outside for fresh air. By the time Terri arrvied at hospice, Terri was pretty much jailed in her room for the last 4 to 5 years of her life. Michael threatened to arrest anyone who attempted to bring her outside or have her attend any social function. Of course Michael claims he was protecting Terri's right to privacy but I don't buy it. Michael hired a private security guard to protect Terri. Michael could have taken her anywhere and her body guard could have been there to protect Terri's privacy.
James IP: 167.75.254.253 Sep 26th, 2007 - 10:17 AM	Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Video Clips Yes, the video definitely show that Terri is cognitive at very small level. You have watch very closely the clips or you will miss her responses. Watching her eyebrows move is one thing that shows she is aware. Her body movement of head, hands, and whole suggest cognitiveness as well. Dozens of doctors looked at very same clips that I posted and came to one of two conclusions: Terri was MCS rather PVS (The response were inconstitent with PVS) or more clinical testing was needed. Some of the Doctors were experts in neurology and the MCS state. Some of the doctors included: http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/alexGimonAffidavit082503.htm http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/drhopper.PDF http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/Huntoon.pdf http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/zabeiga.PDF http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/Affidavit%20from%20Speech%20Pathologist.doc http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/Dr%20%20Laurie%20Barclay.pdf The conclusions by these doctors were reenforced by doctors who actually examined or observed Terri in person: Dr. Hammesfahr Dr. Maxfield Dr. Cheshire http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/Dr%20%20Jay%20Carpenter.pdf http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/Avery%20Affidavit%20-%20Swallowing.pdf http://www.terrisfight.org/userfiles/File/young.PDF You also have the reenforcement of numerous witnesses acocunts from lawyers, Schindlers, caregivers and priests who actually saw Terri.
James IP: 167.75.254.253 Sep 26th, 2007 - 10:33 AM	Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Video Clips The autopsy did not prove Terri was PVS. Dr. Nelson, the neuropathologist conceded that Terri could have been MCS but there was no way to be sure since pathological conclusions on the MCS were limited. Dr. Nelson therefore conceded to the known PVS diagnosis indicating that his findings were constistent with PVS pathological readings. Dr. Nelson, addition to conceding that Terri could been MCS also conceded that it was possible that Terri was aware and could hear and recognize her family members. However, Dr. Nelson was very quick to defend his PVS POV. CNN Press Conference Transcript Piece: The question is first asked: QUESTION: Dr. Thogmartin, what abilities did Terri have? You said she was blind. In those -- near the end of her life, what would she have been able to do, feel, whatever? Dr. Nelson is quick to defend his PVS POV. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The -- again, it's important to remember this is -- persistent vegetative state is a clinical diagnosis. It's not a pathologic diagnosis. The findings of Terri Schiavo are very consistent with persistent vegetative state. Dr. Nelson is pressed: QUESTION: Doctor, her family had said repeatedly that she believed that -- they believed that she interacted with them. Are you saying that's impossible? Dr. Nelson concedes but is quick to defend it. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're certainly not saying that's impossible. But we're saying based on what we know, and what is in the literature with regard to persistent vegetative state, again, that is a clinical diagnosis. It's not a pathologic diagnosis that has precision associated with it. In other words, the ME could only say that Terri had severe brain damage. They couldn't make any conclusions on Terri's abilities from a dead body, but they are conceding that is not impossible for Terri to be cognitive and aware.
James IP: 167.75.254.253 Sep 26th, 2007 - 11:38 AM	Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Video Clips Judge Greer in his 5 years on the case refused to go and see Terri Schiavo or allow her to come into court. Judge Greer was asked numerous times and refused everytime. All of the witnesses who testified against Terri were not required to face Terri in the court room. Judge Greer was also legally blind and it was quesitonable if Judge Greer was even able to catch Terri's subtle responses on the videos. Judge Greer acted as Terri's GAL and Guardian in court litigation but refused to visit with Terri or have her come to court. I believe this was a violation of Terri's due process. Terri was not required to be court in judgements affecting her life. Judge Greer was able to pass judgement on Terri Schiavo without ever having set eyes on her. Terri was simply not involved in the process even though it would have been easy for Terri to be brought into court in a wheelchair or for Judge Greer to go and see Terri in her hospital bed and even conduct litigation there.
James IP: 172.130.13.6 Sep 27th, 2007 - 11:07 PM	Re: The Video Clips In the "How's Your Cold" video, Terri clearly is aware of her Mary's presense. Mary starts by talking to Dr. Cranford (the other voice). Terri is silent and her eyes are unfocused. Mary moves around to other side of Terri's head. As soon as Mary says "Hi Baby" Terri eyes shift towards her mom. You can also see that Terri twitches her eyebrow very slighly (you have to watch closely or you will miss it) which shows she is aware of her mom. Terri then starts to give low moan vocalization as Mary talks to her. Mary does not touch Terri but does give her kiss on her cheek.